Torture: What’s the legal definition? Who Cares…Jonathan Turdley

People, mostly zealots, throw around the word “torture” like there is some settled legal definition of what that term means.  Actually, the definition has evolved over time and also even evolved during the two terms of the Bush Administration.  If you are going to talk about prosecution for “torture” you have to actually look to a legal definition not throw it around like it is a term of common parlance.  The same people who wanted to parse what the definition of  “sexual relations” was or what the meaning of “is,” is, make a legal conclusion that torture was committed and the people who ordered are guilty of war crimes, without any further inquiry.  I guess the ends do justify the means.  In the attempt to exact revenge upon the Bush Administration, lets dispense with any due process, intellectual discussion of what “torture” means under the law, etc.,? The intellectual hypocracy, ignorance, and/or dishonesty, is staggering.

I heard Jonathan Turley on MSNLSD say that  there is “insurmountable evidence” that “war crimes” were committed. Really Mr. Turley? You are a law professor? I find that hard to believe.  The law relating to torture has evolved as has the question of whether non enemy combatants were even entitled to some limited modicum of Consitutional Due Process rights. Have you ever heard of “ex post facto” laws?

You know that there was no certititude to the legal definition of torture as applied to non enemy combatants, yet you make an idiotic statement like the one set forth above.  Actually it is not merely a statement it is a legal conclusion without evidence, trial, due process, or inquiry into specific legal terms.  You bandy these terms about as if to charge someone and impugn them you only need to use the terms “torture” or “war crimes” like you would around the kitchen table in a family debate.  Grow up, or grow some intellectual honesty, and stop spewing legal conclusions you have no basis to make.



Filed under Cheney, CIA Memos, due process, Obama, Politics, Torture

5 responses to “Torture: What’s the legal definition? Who Cares…Jonathan Turdley

  1. Torture is torture. You do not have to be a Harvard Law School graduate to understand that if you’re being held down against your will, and you think these people are drowning you….. you’re being tortured. Let’s stop with the “Well what does the law say” bull shit. The Bush administration covered it up, because they knew it was wrong. It’s torture.

    Surely then, if an Iraqi now came and blew himself up in Washington DC, after what America has done to Iraq, that man isn’t guilty of war crimes?

    • sparkyholden

      Its ashame you only care about what “America has done to Iraq.” I want to read your posts about how concerned you were about what Saddam was doing to Iraq. I can’t find them unfortunately. In their absence your comments reak of rank Anti Americanism rather than a “concern” over the country of Iraq.

    • sparkyholden

      You dont’ need to know what thelegal meaning of torture is? If you are held down in water its clear you are tortured? In one breath you are talking about prosecuting people based upon the rule of law, and then you are saying you don’t have to know whether they actually violated the law because “we all know what torture is.” Actually the law, and someone’s future or freedom, doesn’t thankfully rely on such vague things as what YOU think torture is, and your desire to convict people that disagree with you. So while you are so concerned about protecting legal rights of people, why don’t you apply this concern across the board, and have some intellectual consistency.

  2. RM

    Are all right wingers stupid or just the ones that post on the net. You can always tell by reading most any article which ones are infected with stupidity.

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