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Political Expediency and Amnesia in the War on Terror

After 9/11 when almost 3,000 American civilians were killed the country wanted to fight back.  Traditional “doves” and Democrats knew it would be political suicide to appear weak, or appear not want to strike back at this attack on our own soil.  To protect their own political ass the Dems voted to support George Bush and his desire to root and yes kill these terrorists.  Now that we have all but forgotten 9/11 and how mad our country was on that day, and in the days immediately afterward, and also because we have been kept safe,  the Democrats are free to fall back into their peacenick type diatribes and doveish ways.  This is because they can now politically afford to do so. I wish some of them had had the political honesty to vote against the powers they granted to the President at the time,  because then they might be considered worthy of respect because of intellectual consistency. They also would have been voted out of office.  This political expediency, and lack of any core held beliefs, is apparently what is currently driving Speaker Nancy Pelosi.  Her recent amnesia about being briefed upwards of 30 times about enhanced interrogation techniques, including waterboarding, appears to be more of the same modus operandi of politics over country. When she had to appear tough on terror she  approved those techniques; now that it is politically expedient she forgets and returns to her “I am a amnesiac dove” roots.  Here is a little food for thought which I wonder if Ms. Pelosi might forget voting for, or claim she didn’t know what the resolution meant:

On September 14, 2001, the House of Representatives voted 418 to 1 and the Senate voted 98-0 for resolutions authorizing the President of the United States “to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.

How quickly we forget, I hope we find a cure for amnesia sooon.

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Torture: What’s the legal definition? Who Cares…Jonathan Turdley

People, mostly zealots, throw around the word “torture” like there is some settled legal definition of what that term means.  Actually, the definition has evolved over time and also even evolved during the two terms of the Bush Administration.  If you are going to talk about prosecution for “torture” you have to actually look to a legal definition not throw it around like it is a term of common parlance.  The same people who wanted to parse what the definition of  “sexual relations” was or what the meaning of “is,” is, make a legal conclusion that torture was committed and the people who ordered are guilty of war crimes, without any further inquiry.  I guess the ends do justify the means.  In the attempt to exact revenge upon the Bush Administration, lets dispense with any due process, intellectual discussion of what “torture” means under the law, etc.,? The intellectual hypocracy, ignorance, and/or dishonesty, is staggering.

I heard Jonathan Turley on MSNLSD say that  there is “insurmountable evidence” that “war crimes” were committed. Really Mr. Turley? You are a law professor? I find that hard to believe.  The law relating to torture has evolved as has the question of whether non enemy combatants were even entitled to some limited modicum of Consitutional Due Process rights. Have you ever heard of “ex post facto” laws?

You know that there was no certititude to the legal definition of torture as applied to non enemy combatants, yet you make an idiotic statement like the one set forth above.  Actually it is not merely a statement it is a legal conclusion without evidence, trial, due process, or inquiry into specific legal terms.  You bandy these terms about as if to charge someone and impugn them you only need to use the terms “torture” or “war crimes” like you would around the kitchen table in a family debate.  Grow up, or grow some intellectual honesty, and stop spewing legal conclusions you have no basis to make.

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